A podcast to help you get resourced, feel capable, and breathe easier

We believe we lead better when we lead side by side.

We connect busy female leaders to the practical resources they need for ministry today.

You need quick access to resources that work. We believe God has made every leader capable for the mission he has given. That’s why we give you access to leaders who share spiritual wisdom and tactical tools just for you!


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Episode 36

The Myth of a Balanced Life

If you’re pursuing a balanced life, you might be chasing after the wrong thing. While the idea of work/life balance sounds good, in reality it’s elusive and ineffective. The good news is there’s a way to be more productive and more impactful in your work and life by shifting your focus.

In this episode, co-hosts Annie & Heidi talk about how to better “balance” the parts of your life that matter most to achieve something far better than balance.

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Episode 37

Juggling Motherhood & Ministry

Have you ever felt inadequate as a mother? Or felt like you were dropping the ball in ministry? Being a mom and managing a ministry role can feel overwhelming no matter how young or old your kids are today.

In this episode, Heidi talks with Amy Wicks, founder of Simply Wholehearted, about how your Enneagram type can unlock the confidence, language, and lens you need to thrive in motherhood and ministry.

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Episode 38

Connect With God Your Way

When life gets busy, the pressures turn up and we need God the most, yet that's when He often seems farther away. Our answer can be to try harder to do the right spiritual disciplines. What if, instead, God actually designed us to connect with Him in unique ways that are more meaningful for us and for Him?

In this episode, co-hosts Heidi Zwart and Annie Perdue-Olson, combine personal stories and practical strategies for how to connect with God in your own unique way.

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Episode 39

Can Comparison Be Good?

Even as kids we are taught to compare and contrast. It’s a necessary and important discernment activity. But, it can get tricky when it becomes the scale by which we measure our success or unhealthy if it begins to define who we are.

In this episode, Annie talks with Amber Cullum, host of Grace Enough Podcast, about what comparison really is and how we can think about it differently to leverage it for good.

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Episode 40

Don't Be Offended

When was the last time you were offended? More often than we realize, the comments or remarks we personalize weren’t intended to hurt us and, ultimately, what we do with them is a choice. One choice hurts us and the other builds a bridge to understanding.

In this episode, Heidi talks to Gari Pisca, Executive Director of Operations at Eagle Brook Church, about how to raise the sensitivity bar for you and your team to be more of the leader God made you to be.

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Episode 41

Investing in Yourself

How do you want to show up for yourself and others? However you answer that question means you will have to invest in yourself to make that happen. And, there can be a hundred reasons why we don’t do that.

In this episode, Annie talks to April Diaz, former pastor of 17 years and now a coach with Ezer & Co, about activating women to live and lead with wholeness. Investing in yourself is hard, but it’s the best way to grow.

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Episode 42

When It's Time to Go

Have you ever felt prompted to close the door on a chapter of your life even when you don’t know what’s next? Endings can bring a mix of excitement and fear as God calls you out of one season and into the next season.

In this final episode, co-hosts Annie and Heidi talk about how they knew it was time to bring their podcast collaboration to a close and how to recognize if you’re being called to something new, too. 

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Season 2

Episode 1

Before You Say a Word -
Pt 1

Being a great leader means attending to two things: leading self and leading others. Without great self-leadership, we’ll never lead others well, despite our best efforts.

In this two-part episode, co-hosts Annie & Heidi talk about how to prepare for a difficult conversation by leading yourself well. With the right preparation steps, your difficult conversation might be easier than you think!

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Episode 2

Before You Say a Word -
Pt 2

In the last episode, we started talking about the difficult conversations that matter as we kicked off season 2. We shared the preparation steps you need to take to lead yourself before you say a word.

In this episode, co-hosts Annie & Heidi, dive into designing the conversation you know you need to have, but don’t know where to start. And how to navigate the hardest part of that tough conversation.

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Episode 3

Embracing the Leader You Are

Sometimes we negate relational or intuitive leadership strengths over strategic ones. Yet when we lead authentically with empathy and a soul care lens, we build strong relationships with our team and confidence in how God wired us.

In this episode, we talk to
Tami Stordahl, a 26 year ministry veteran, about leading from these strengths while caring for yourself in the daily demands of leadership.

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Episode 4

How to Encourage Others

Who needs a little encouragement when things get hard? Every one of us needs a good boost of affirmation now and then. If you are busy doing ministry, encouragement can be hard to come by.

In this episode, we talk to Andrea Coli, Teaching Pastor at CrossWinds Church and Executive Director of Lead Bold! about the space every woman in ministry needs to be encouraged in work and life.

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Episode 5

The Do's & Don't of Zoom

Like it or not, remote work and life is here to stay for awhile. While our future relationship with Zoom may look different than it does today, this technological platform has allowed us to stay connected to our work and one another.

In today’s episode, co-hosts Annie & Heidi, look at the do’s and don’ts of using remote technology to build relationships and have conversations that matter. 

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Episode 6

The Art of the Ask

Churches and nonprofits run on volunteers. But serving goes beyond filling holes with bodies and it requires having the right conversations to find the right fit.

In today’s episode, we talk to Christa Foss, the Hospitality & Connections Director, at a growing Twin Cities church about how to have “I see you conversations” that build a strong and committed volunteer culture others want to join.

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Episode 7

That's a Great Question

People often come asking for advice to solve problems. What they really need is a guide to help them find their own answers. We can become facilitators of great questions that help draw out the solutions from within.

In today’s episode, your hosts, Annie Perdue-Olson and Heidi Zwart, talk about having conversations that matter by getting better at asking questions.

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Episode 8

Becoming a Conversational Leader

Great conversational skills matter for every leader. Trust is built, however, by the experience you create in the middle of the conversation, by how you see one another.

In today’s episode, we talk to Mary Verstraete of the Center for Coaching Excellence about what it means to be a conversational leader, why it’s important, and how we can do it.

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Episode 9

You Are What You Think

What do you tell yourself when you look in the mirror? How do you recover when you make a mistake? Are you at peace or war? Your inner dialogue matters and it’s the most important conversation you have every day.

In today’s episode, co-hosts Annie & Heidi, talk about how to stop the negative self-talk by noticing, naming, and reprogramming the messages in your mind.

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Episode 10

Confidence in Your Calling

What is it that holds you back from taking that next step? Maybe the message you tell yourself. Maybe the unknown shakes your confidence. Maybe seeing others makes  you wonder if you have what it takes.

In today’s episode, Annie Perdue-Olson is joined by Sharon Gill to talk about the confidence we need to fulfill our leadership calling and serve others well.

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Episode 11

3 Kinds of Feedback Everybody Needs

Over and over we hear that one of the difficult leadership conversations that leader’s would love to avoid is feedback. It’s a complicated one and yet so important to the success of our teams and the people we work with.

In today’s episode, Annie & Heidi, talk about three types of feedback everybody needs to hear and how to offer it.

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Episode 12

Influential Conversations with Your Leader

How do you approach a necessary conversation with your leader?Initiating a significant conversation with your manager can feel scary and difficult unless you know how to prepare, guide, and finish it well.

In today’s episode, Heidi talks to Mary Stieber Reynhout, about how to be more persuasive, influential, and confident with your leader.

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Episode 1

What Busy Leaders Need Most

Life in ministry is amazing - when you’re not overwhelmed. And, a huge part of fighting the overwhelm is to reduce the busyness of your life.

In this inaugural episode, co-hosts Annie & Heidi talk about the ways female leaders can overcome busy so that they can continue to feel resourced, feel capable, and breathe easier for impact in ministry. 

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Episode 2

Thriving in Marriage & Ministry

Is it possible to have a healthy marriage and a healthy ministry? Or is it one at the expense of the other?

In this episode, we’re taking a closer look at this question through the lens of Joanne Thompson, a seasoned leader who’s spent nearly 50 years in ministry discovering the answers to this question. And how a DQ Buster Bar holds a clue! 

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Episode 3

Managing Your Mindset

When faced with a difficult situation or challenging opportunity, how do you react? We come to a situation with our own mindset -- we think our own thoughts and we forget to tune in to Christ's perspective.

Let’s find out from Kathleen Fischer how we can manage our mindset more effectively to find better solutions and perspective. 

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Episode 4

Reflecting Jesus in Conversations About Race 

How are you addressing issues of race in your church or ministry? Do you know what to say or are you stumbling for the right words?

In this episode, we’re taking a closer look at these questions and more with guidance of Chaneika Polk, an experienced ministry leader who's worn many hats in a multi-ethnic, multisite church for nearly a decade. 

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Episode 5

Permission to Make Mistakes

What draws you to a leader and inspires you to follow them? How do you know if you’ve got that as a leader? If you don’t have it yet, how do you get it? (hint: how you handle mistakes is a clue!)

In this episode, we talk about ways you can develop the “it-factor” that draws other people toward you with Jeannette Grace, author of G-Factor: 8 Secrets for Increasing Your Gravitational Pull at Work.

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Episode 6

Navigating Hard Seasons

Have you been knocked off balance navigating an unexpected or hard season? Did you see it coming or was it a slow simmer of "hard" that knocked you off your feet? If you're not in it now, you will be at some point. 

Get real with co-hosts Annie & Heidi in a transparent discussion about facing the reality of hard seasons and how navigating through them is an ongoing journey.

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Episode 7

Connecting Vision to Action

What’s your first instinct when when you hear the word “strategy?” Do you jump up and down with excitement or sprint in the opposite direction? In ministry, we sometimes forget that great vision and mission always needs a great strategy. 

In this episode, we talk with experienced strategist, Jennifer Fuller, to learn how to connect strategy to action and how leaders in ministry can be strategic, even if it’s not a natural talent.  

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Episode 8

Change is Messy in the Middle

Change is inevitable and sometimes tricky. We can get stuck in the messy middle. Change starts with an event that leaves us unprepared for the emotional response and journey to acceptance that is unique for everyone.

In this episode, leadership coach, Heidi Lewerenz, guides us through a proven framework that helps leaders navigate their change and emotions while leading others through, too.

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Episode 9

When Your Emotions Leak

Are leaky emotions getting in the way of you being all you can be as a leader? Do you know when and why you’re being mastered by them and how they show up in your interactions with those you lead?

In this episode, we talk to Amanda Cornelius, an experienced therapist and business leader who specializes in helping women and leaders live healthier lives. Learn to name and conquer the master of your emotions when it sneaks up on you.

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Episode 10

Lead With Your Strengths

Do you do what you do best every day? CliftonStrengths (StrengthsFinder) helps you discover your natural talents so that you can do just that. But knowledge isn’t enough. Turning knowledge into action equips you lead yourself and your team more effectively, preserve your energy, and make better decisions.

In this episode, Annie puts Heidi, a Certified Gallup Strength Coach, on the “hot seat” to take CliftonStrengths to the next level so that you can truly lead with your strengths.

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Episode 11

Relationships That Resource Your Mission

Just because God has called us to do a specific thing, doesn’t mean it will be easy. One of the challenges that keep leaders up at night is how to resource the mission God has given them.

Tammy Kocher, Executive Director of New Life Family Services, learned this “how-to” by first doing the wrong things, which led her to a relationship-focused approach fueled by truly caring for what people are passionate about. When passion matches mission, people give generously. 

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Episode 12

Boost Your Energy With Healthy Habits

Busy leaders need energy. But our grab and go, quick fix world encourages food choices that deplete instead of restore. So, what does a leader do to stay healthy and energized in the midst of busy and why does it matter?

Get ready for a high energy conversation with Lainey Younkin, a Registered Dietician who specializes in helping women build better habits. With a blend of education, inspiration, and real-world solutions, you will feel better equipped to make small changes for a healthier life. 

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Episode 13

Carve a Path to Joy

Do you have trouble finding joy? We can seek and find joy rather than waiting for it to drop on our lap. Even when we hit “bottom”, we have the opportunity for joy to enter into our life and begin its healing work.

In this episode, we talk to Kristen Joy as she shares her own journey and how she helps others in ministry find the joy that so easily can slip away as we serve others.

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Episode 14

Myers Briggs & Teams That Thrive

We assume people “get it” when we communicate ideas, expectations, requests, or needs. But they don't. We need a framework to understand our differences so that we can find our path toward productive dialogue. 

In this episode, Heidi puts Annie, a Certified Myers Briggs professional and leadership coach, on the “hot seat” to embrace more positive communication on your team.

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Episode 15

Confidence to Be Creative

Sometimes when we think about creativity in ministry we think big productions, fancy lighting, and great artistry. But this isn’t possible for every church and when we start comparing we can quickly lose our confidence.

In this episode, we learn from a creative leader of 25+ years,
Tanya Pinkerman, how to think differently about creativity for greater impact through creative problem-solving.

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Episode 16

Managing Triggers in Ministry

We are in ministry for good reasons and all the right motivations. Yet, the pressures and demands can sometimes get the better of us. Ignoring unresolved issues can lead you to burn out or lash out.

In this episode, we’re talking about ways to manage emotional triggers that can catch us by surprise with the help of Kathy Johnson, Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor. 

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Episode 17

Leading Where You're Called

When you’re a Christian leader outside of a traditional ministry setting, you have a platform to live and lead in a way that reflects Him through character, competence, and confidence.

In this episode, we talk to Jane Page, CEO of Lionstone Investments, about what it’s like to lead with excellence and how faith is foundational to great leadership wherever you work. 

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Episode 18

Resilience in the Chaos

Looking back on 2020, we see more chaos than we could have imagined, but we made it! It took effort to maintain a bold confidence, make decisions without clarity, and creativity to connect with others.

In this episode, co-hosts Annie & Heidi talk about what we've learned from the year and how to reinforce your confidence & create meaningful connections in the new year.

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Episode 19

Clear the Way for a
Fresh Start

According to the Fresh Start effect, people are more likely to take action towards a goal after temporal landmarks or special occasions that represent new beginnings, like a new year.

In this episode, Annie & Heidi talk about how a new year brings an opportunity for greater clarity and better creative problem-solving by pressing on toward all that’s to come. 

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Episode 20

Engaging with the Disabled in our Community

People with disabilities and those who care for them often hit barriers in the Christian communities where they seek connection and purpose.

In this episode, Joan Borton of Luke 14 Exchange offers practical insight from personal and professional experience into how Christians, leaders, & ministries can create a welcoming culture for people with disabilities.

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Episode 21

What the Enneagram Reveals

The Enneagram is one of the most talked about assessments in the ministry world these days. Respected leaders across the country are turning to this tool to help them lead their teams.

In this episode we talk to Certified Enneagram Coach, Kristi Erickson, about why it’s so important to view this assessment through the lens of faith so that we understand ourselves, God, and others better.

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Episode 22

Cutting Through the Mental Chaos

Have you ever felt drained by leading? Do your same old ways to refresh your soul just leave you still feeling empty?

In this episode, Kristin Evenson, a Change and Transitions Coach, shares bite-size spiritual practices that rewire the brain and enable us to step into the holy invitation God offers in life and leadership.

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Episode 23

Honoring Your Body

Many of us likely made New Year's resolutions that involve our health. by now, many of us have probably already let our best intentions fall by the wayside.

In this episode, we revisit the topic of physical health with certified health coach,
Sarah Alves. We dive into why it's so important to love our body and take care of it for our emotional, spiritual, and physical health. 

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